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Sun, Jul. 31st, 2005, 09:58 pm
angelofsith: Gnome and Windows

In my linux testings, I've found that I really like the Gnome GUI. This is all good when it comes to the distro I chose to install as it's default is Gnome, but it's not ok for my main machine which runs WinXP. Does anyone how I can install Gnome onto my XP machine and make it work? Has it been tried before, and was it successful?

Any help would be great.

Sun, Jul. 31st, 2005 03:35 pm (UTC)
symmys

Well, the easy answer is to get rid of XP.

Aside from that, GTK has been ported to windows, but the core GNOME libraries have not. Part of the question is what do you mean by "run GNOME". Running GNOME on windows doesn't quite make sense since Windows already includes a session manager, configuration manager, window manager, panel etc., all of which are, afaik, not replaceable. If you want to run some particular GNOME apps on Windows, many of them have been ported -- whether or not they have windows versions simply depends on whether or not they depend on the GNOME libraries or not.

Cygwin will let you run basically anything on windows, presumably including GNOME. I don't know much about it -- I've never run a window box, but I believe that via cygwin you can basically do anything you could do on a *nix box inside of Windows.

Sun, Jul. 31st, 2005 04:06 pm (UTC)
angelofsith

It's the Gnome GUI that I really want, the interface, desktop manager, and the appearance side of things. I find the layout better than that of winxp, with better menus and so on.

Sun, Jul. 31st, 2005 05:01 pm (UTC)
olorelei

At least a part of Gnome has already been ported to Cygwin binaries. I can't tell you from experience how far along it is, though. (The only reason I know it's there is that I just happen to have booted up XP a couple of days ago, for the first time in months, just to apply security patches and check a couple of HTML pages in IE, and Windows drove me berserk before I could finish downloading the upgrades to Cygwin's X foo to make it tolerable. ;)

Mon, Aug. 1st, 2005 12:18 am (UTC)
angelofsith

I have Cygwin, any ideas what to do?

Mon, Aug. 1st, 2005 07:18 am (UTC)
olorelei

Not knowing how far along the precompiled programs are, what I'd try first would be just to run Cygwin's SETUP.EXE program to select and download any available Gnome and GTK binary packages that look like something I might need. (My SETUP.INI file from July 29 lists quite a few: GConf2, glib2, gnome-common, gnome-keyring, gnome-vfs2, libgnomeui2, etc.) Additional packages required by the ones you choose should be selected for you automatically.

I don't know how much the included documentation will tell you about how to make it run, or how much of the configuration process is already automated. If left to make a wild guess at how much has been done for me, after the installation, I'd probably first try just entering 'gdm' at the bash prompt (and would expect to see a 'command not found' error message, but I try not to expect much on Windows ;). Next, I'd try entering 'startx' at the bash prompt and then, if Gnome doesn't start automatically, entering 'gnome-session' in the X terminal window. If nothing else, any error messages you see should at least give a clue to what you'll need to look up.

The little I've read suggests that the more software you can get directly from Cygwin, the better your chances are of getting it all to work together. For downloads that aren't yet available as official Cygwin packages, though, the Cygwin Ports project on SourceForge.net looks like a good bet.

Of course, these are all guesses from someone who has never run Gnome on Cygwin before. I hope you can get a response from someone with more experience than I have.

Mon, Aug. 1st, 2005 09:13 am (UTC)
angelofsith

startx worked and I got the X terminal window, 'gnome-session' didn't and said 'command not found'. gdm also gave 'command not found'.

I did try getting it from sourceforge, but it didn't work, I kept getting dl speeds of 0.3kbps, and when I finally got it the installation stops at 8% and cygwin dies.

Mon, Aug. 1st, 2005 09:47 am (UTC)
olorelei

I would download individual packages manually from SourceForge only as a last resort, if I already know that the package I need isn't available directly from Cygwin.

Did you try running Cygwin's SETUP.EXE program to fetch the official Gnome packages? That program should let you select a download site from a list of mirrors, and then the mirror site you select should send you a package list. If that initial download is too slow, you should be able to cancel out and try another mirror site before you start selecting packages for downloading.

Also, if I remember correctly, you'd need to shut down Cygwin ('exit' out of X and 'logout' from the main bash prompt) before you try to install anything new on it.

Mon, Aug. 1st, 2005 12:27 pm (UTC)
angelofsith

Yes, the mirror I found, something.ac.uk, had a section called 'gnome' so I installed the whole thing. It had good speeds too, probably because it's in the uk.

AFAIK, there are only two mirrors for the sourceforge files, and they both had problems.

Mon, Aug. 1st, 2005 03:14 pm (UTC)
olorelei

Heh. There used to be a SourceForge mirror in Brookfield, Wisconsin, just a few miles away from me. Used to be. It was nice while it lasted.

Well, I'm glad you were able to find the downloads to get started. When you've had a little time to see what Gnome can and can't do on Cygwin, I'd be interested to read of your experiences with it. Apparently, users' opinions vary quite a bit (largely, I suspect, because their hardware varies, and because some know more than others about how to make native Windows programs stop hogging resources), but Cygwin's support for Gnome seems to be improving rapidly.

Sun, Nov. 21st, 2010 04:57 pm (UTC)
pavithran: KDE 4 windows

The KDE on Windows Initiative is an ongoing progress in native porting of the KDE applications to MS Windows. Currently the Windows versions starting with Windows XP are supported.
The preferred way of installing KDE apps under Windows is the KDE-Installer.

http://windows.kde.org/